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trump. >> it's over. you lost. quit chinaing. >> tonight starks the debate whether democrats should follow it the republican playbook back to the white house. plus, new questions about whether the trump kids are already selling access to their father. >> it's called pay for play. >> senator chris murphy on new concerns about trump ties to hard right austrian nationalists. labor secretary tom perez in his first interview since announcing a run to lead the democrats and why mobile, alabama, is apologizing so donald trump can say merry christmas in front of a 50-foot tree. >> wishing you a very merry christmas. merry christmas. when "all in" starts right now. good evening new york. i'm chris hayes. the rekouns are over, the electoral college shas spoken. in 31 days, donald trump will become the president of the united states. republicans have a message for americans frustrated about that
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fact. get over it. >> they have a message for cry baby sore loser left and that is donald trump won. stop chinaing. accept it already. >> the election's over. we all know it. it's time to move. >> and donald trump's victory south korea verified and a done deal, get over it. >> come on, anti-trumpers. quit wlining. >> we won, you lost. grow the blank up. move on with your life. >> democrats have not figures out in politics when you lose, you don't get a second place trophy. you don't get a juice box or therapy dogging. > hillary clinton and her team spent $1.2 billion, lost an election they should have won. didn't see us coming and got a lot of the help frankly from people in the media still trying to fight the last war. this man is the brez. >> it is worth noting that trump himself hasn't gotten over it even though he won. instead he's been holding victory rallies in the states that voted for him where he
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spent much of his time relitigating the election. today after bill clinton said trump "doesn't know much," the president-elect tweeted bill clinton started i called him after the election. wrong he called me. before adding bill clinton who doesn't know much. not him. and the fact this was no normal election and not because hillary clinton beat trump by just under 3 million votes. foreign power rushals intervened in the election to help donald trump win. one might ask the whether republicans would have moved on and gotten over it had russian intervened to help a democrat. we have new evidence that james comey may have swung the election with his publicized letters about clinton's e-mails. when pollsters reinterviewed a set of voters before the first letter, they discovered trump saw a net gain of 2.38 percentage points among this same votes are while clinton saw a net loss, a total spread of four points.
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we can't tribt this all to comey. nate nate sill ber suggested is trump's win wasn't baked in. something changed at the end of the campaign. let's say you somehow put all that aside and bracket putin and the popular vote there is still what we call the i learned from watching you rkt factor. republicans have spent the last eight years engaged in historic campaign of obstruction that began from the start on the night barack obama was inaugurated, house maage jort lead area kevin mccarthy told his colleague fuzz act like you're the minnesota, we've got to challenge them every single bill and every single campaign. as michelle obama discussed in a new interview, that's pretty much how it played out. >> there were people in congress, there were leaders in congress who did not support his presidency which was not something that was good for the country. it was good for politics. but it wasn't good for the country. >> michelle and barack obama say they're refusing to take that route for the good of the
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country and supportive of trump since the election and plan to help him succeed. system americans want democrats to fight and adopt many of the sage tactics as the republican party that shut down the government or risked default to get its way refusing to let obama name a supreme court justice for over 300 days and engaged in an absolutely unprecedented legislative maneuver post election in north carolina it take power away from the new democratic governor. yesterday, kellyanne conway claimed the professional political left set attempting to ferment a permanent opposition core rossive to our constitution it will democracy and the left trying to delegitimize his election. a remarkable statement from the person who ran his campaign on the candidate who built his career on the racist conspiracy theory the president wasn't born in the u.s.s in an attempt to delegitimize president obama. >> i would liking to having him show his birth certificate. can be i be honest with you, i hope he can because if he can't, if he can't and if he wasn't
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born in this country which is a real possibility. i'm not saying it happened. i'm saying it's a real possibility, much greater than i thought two or three weeks ago, he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politicsing. >> joining me now is, jess mcintosh who worked on the hillary clinton clinton campaign. >> jerks i've seen folks on the left and conservatives the say liberals are losing their mind. they've totally lost their mind. >> we're just fine. everything's fine. >> they totally lost their mind and one of the examples they give is was all this run up to the electoral college, the idea they would persuade electors that that was a weird use after energy that they're getting pulled hither and yon and russia conspiracy theories. with what's your response? >> there are a lot of places to put your anger and your outrage and concern and your genuine fear this election.
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and i think that the -- i can see the frame that democrats are doing it wrong being an easy one because you know who the democrats are and you know where to put your outrage and you know which congressional offices to call. the truth is, we dealt with foreign interference in our election. we dealt with an fbi where day after day, some new revelation comes up that says they acted hugely inappropriately. we dealt with the electoral college which for the first time took away the presidency with 3 million more in the popular vote and gerry mandering that disenfranchised black people across the country. those are terrifying constitutional issues in our democracy asking whether democrats should have undermined our damecracy more probably isn't the best way to go about challenging these things. i don't know who to call to fix those. >> sarah, i for a long time, i remember covering the tea party and people thought wow, those people are screaming at people in rallies and i remember
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covering birtherism and thinking this is deranged, a deranged theory that is being promoted by a con artist and huge parts of the republican base are going for it. they're flirting with it, he's going to get the mitt romney endorsement and show up at cpac. this is a group of people losing their mind. it turns out that was incredibly politically effective. isn't the answer that sustained efforts at totally delegitimatemization no matter how deranged is actually the path back to power? >> well, i think as long as democrats continue to blame these very but for causes, let's even stipulate that the comey letter did the affect people's votes at the ends. how did we get did the comey letter? he because hillary clinton decided to have a secret server in her basement and then bill clinton who now seems to have forgotten how this all came about tried to have a secret meeting with attorney general loinch then had to recuse herz.
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>> the server wasn't secret. it was not secret. >> they had a meeting on a tarmac at a private airport when they were exchanging out of their private planes. >> there's a million other but forces about that. >> that's right. but democrats don't want it on the acknowledge how we got there democrats don't acknowledge that. they want to pretend this was taken from them. the sense of entitlement isn't a smart move. >> that's my point. >> 2018 when they're on defense and i lot of states that trump won have to protect their senators and they're not doing it the way. >> sarah -- sflooks spending millions of dollars on recounts. >> sarah, that's exactly my point. i would normally i think agree with you. i genuinely think this. i would normally agree with you. i look at the way the republican party responded to barack obama's election which was the normal thing you think is this guy has high approval ratings and give republican senators cover so had that they can swoet vote with him on some things.
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they didn't do that. it paid off huge. >> i hear you. >> they engaged in all sorts of insane conspiracy theorizing that turned out to elect the next president of the united states so it just seems like the playbook, an the model here is the more deranged, the more obstinate and the more you obstruct, that actually is going to be the thing that benefits you most politically. >> that is not why republicans won in my opinion. but on top of that, republicans didn't challenge the constitutional basis of how we run elections based on the electoral college. >> they said the president was not constitutionally. >> in 2008, saying it was john mccain's election and barack obama took it from him. you would have lost your mind. your whoed have rolled off your head if we had saided that. >> they said a corn stole it. just to be clear here, the entire point of the birther movement was actually a perfect argument. the birther movement said the man is not the legitimate president of the united esas required by the constitutio and
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the person who is 9 most prominent advocate of that position is the next president of the united states. so this was not a totally fringe theory, jess. >> we can't just play the i guess we should all try to delegitimize as hard as possible because that's the right way to win strategy. there isn't, i'm going to appeal to the media on this, false equivalence has to stop. democrats can't play the same game that republicans can play because we think that government can work for people and we think there are people who need it. republicans don't believe either of those things. delegitimatizing it those who take power and what they do with them always also serve their interests. democrats can't play that game because we believe things can be done for people who need them done. >> so top game this out, i'll come back to you in a second. >> donald trump is the probably alan grayson. we couldn't get him elected president if we tried. >> the way that cashes out when you're talking about
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infrastructure bills, you're saying if you're a senator who thinks we do need an infrastructure bill, you work with president trump to say how can we come to terms on that. >> i think it's tough. i don't believe they're going to be met with people coming to the table in good faith. they need to be skeptical is, possibly more than they were stunned george w. bush about the terms that they meet with the republicans. >> what about sarah's point sflp what about sarah's point which is look, in this tangible sense of 2018, right? let's say the comey and you know and putin, right? sure. none of that has anything to do practically with a party that's lost almost 1,000 legislative seats during account obama years, lost a whole bunch of state houses. >> let's talk about how and why we lost the state houses. talk about gerrymandering, voter disenment. >> how is that operationalized to help those senators? >> if we're allowing people to
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vote in the numbers they are constitutionally allowed to vote, we'll see more democrats elected. that's why i know i'm on the right side of this fight. i want more people voting. >> sarah, mitch mcconnell said parties have a ten deans overinterpret their mandate. there has been this sort of pen dual lar swing. i remember 2004 sympathying everyone said the democrats are a dead party. they're dead. 2006 later they win the house. 2008 i remember saying the republicans are dead. ya da, yada, yada. do you think republicans have internalized that fear about the pendulum? >> well, i actually want to also agree with something that was just said which is that there is this asymmetric warfare between republicans and democrats on both sides, benefit and lose from it. yes, democrats say that government works for people. but why donald trump actually got elected is that the government hasn't been working for people.
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it's grown incompetent and corrupt. so people wanted changing fromming that and so yes, republicans offered that and democrats lose with that. on the flipside, democrats are often attack ford offering free stuff and republicans are like no. that many works both ways. >> didn't donald trump offer stuff? >> i don't think so. >> he said he's going to open the coal mines back up. >> yeah, those are jobs. that's a jobs policy. both sides generally proposed their jobs policy. look, gerrymandering can't be blamed for losing 12 governorships, 13 senate seats. fine, if you want to stipulate this house seats, okay. but this idea that democrats can keep feeling this entitlement that well, it's just being taken from us, you're going to keep losing. yes, i do think republicans shouldn't overplay their mandate but there is a mandate for change. there is a mandate for making government work. and for getting rid of this enormous bureaucracy that is just feeding itself.
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there's a reason there's cranes all over d.c. when the rest of the economy was in recession. it's got to stop. >> it's doing pretty well in austin too, jess mcintosh and sarah flores. >> new allegations of pay for play after the trump brothers epa on a draft brochure. why is trump's pick for national security advisor meeting with a foreign political party founded by nazis? that story in just two the minutes. generosity is its own form of power.
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you can handle being a mom for half an hour. i'm in all the way. is that understood? i don't know what she's up to, but it's not good. can't the world be my noodles and butter? get your mind out of the gutter. mornings are for coffee and contemplation. that was a really profound observation. you got a mean case of the detox blues. don't start a war you know you're going to lose. finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. on xfinity x1. >> one of the quirks of connecticut's transition is we've had to find out details about the president-elect international meetings with his end yanl business partners from foreign sources. according to "the new york times," the leaders of austria's freedom party just posted on facebook he visited a couple weeksing with michael flynn, trump's pick for national security advisor. the freedom party was founded by the literal nazis. its first leader was a member of the ss.
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earlier this month the party's candidate nearly lost the national election its popularity fuel bid fears about refugees from the muslim world. they espouse islamophobia not unlike expressed by flynn himself to declared he was urged to say if they attacked us on nationalist right in the europe. >> we don't know the yet who was responsible for this attack. there's also reports, but we haven't gotten definitive evidence yet.
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chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who has a fixed term of office that will leave him in that role for at least it the first year of the trump administration. here's what, general dunford said about russia in senate
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himself to declared he was urged to say if they attacked us on election day thashlgsd be considered an act of war. we're badly resourced right now in the federal government combat these types of russian interference. right now we have the biggest baddest army in the world but don't have the capabilities to rebut their energy bullying, their corruption attempts and their cyberattacks. we're going to have to rethink the way that we defend this country in the next few years. >> a republican senator cory gardner of colorado told politico he would introduce a bill if passed would mandate a new select committee on cyber security. i believe this would be essentially you the select committee that would be tasked with an investigation into what happened in the election. it seems to me crucial there does now seem growing bipartisan support for such a committee. is that your sense, as well? >> that's my sense. and i like senator gardener's idea here in that he acknowledges that this also is about the fact that china is trying to hack into american
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systems both public and private virtually every day. we know what the north koreans did. i do worry that his proposal may be a bit of a feint to try to water down what needs to be a very focused inquiry on the question of russian interference in this election on behalf of donald trump. so i think that we do need to have that broader look at cyber attacks on u.s. soil, but that shouldn't happen at the expense of a very public inquiry into the extent of russian hacking in in election. >> i want to ask about what we're learning about what happened in berlin, 12 dead, dozens injured, a truck running into a crowd there yesterday. still a manhunt. we don't know who did it. there's been reports from different sources inside the german government. there is a tremendous amount of backlash against angela merkel sort of waiting because of the refugee policy of the german people. you have you wilder saying that
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merkel has blood on her hands and dridge picking that up today. what is your read on the situation there because at one level, there really is, i understand why people in germany would be worried and panic the and scared and this is a horrible mass murder that was pulled off and there is real worry about the continued rising strength of the sort of nationalist right in the europe. >> we don't know the yet who was responsible for this attack. there's also reports, but we haven't gotten definitive evidence yet. and listen, i'm worried about a world in which one refugee, let's say there was a refugee or someone applying for refugee status that one refugee essentially pollutes our thought about the millions of other peace-loving refugees who are just trying to seek asylum in a place like germany or in the united states. there are all sorts of german citizens that do bad things, all sorts of american citizens that do bad things, but the vast majority of refugees that want to go to europe or come to the
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united states have no intent to do harm. here in the united states, we do have to learn some lessons from europe though. they have been under a higher degree of attack from islamic rad kalz than the united states in part because they've done a pretty bad job in integrating muslims into their general population into society. the united states has done a better job. so we need to double down on that policy of inclusion if we want to avoid that fate. >> before i let you go, i want to get is your reaction to the news about general flynn meeting in austria. this party is at is the real right flank of european parties. extremely hostile to muslims, to immigration. a language of sort of purity of the nation that has some really uncomfortable relation to the past of european fascism. does it trouble you that will general flynn met with them and we only learned from a facebook posting of the afd?
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>> yeah, this is an incredibly disturbi meeting although 's not really surprising. flynn is a very dangerous character inside the white house. this is someone hon regularly trades nuds conspiracy theorys and who is going to be sometimes the first and last person that are president trump sees when he gets up and leaves the oval office at night. and it also speaks to this much broader effort that is happening to link far right parties around the world. we saw reports of there linkage between the freedom party and putin's party in russia. putin is attempting to link all these parties so he can ultimately make the case to have sanctions lifted and give him a sphere of influence in and around russia. and to the extent they have a spokesman in flynn inside it the white house, we all have to be very, very about that. >> senator chris murphy. thank you very much. the man hop wants to help lead democrats an, tom perez joins meese since throwing his hat in the dnc ring ahead.
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donald trump canceled what was supposed to be a big press conference last week announcing finally how eldest entangle himself from his businesses to avoid conflicts of interest. his reschedule is for next month. the president-elect telling "the new york times" in an interview not long after the election, "the law is totally on my side," meaning the president can't have a conflict of interest. the president of the united states is allowed to have whatever conflicts he wants. trump has it more or less right on the law. while he is subject to the claus of the constitution, is he exempt from conflict of interest laws that apply to the employees of the federal government but
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it's a different story for every sing it will other person working around the president. the way things look now with neither trump nor his kids seemingly inclined to part ways with the business, if the trump children or anyone else affiliated with the trump organization ends up in the west wing, they could be exposed to possible criminal prosecution for flouting conflict of interest laws. luckily, newt gingrich has a solution. not completedy visitment from the family business but a blank wet presidential pardon. >> in the case of the president, he has a broad an ability to the organize the white house the way he wants to and has frankly the power of the pardon. it is a totally open power. and he could simply say look, i want them to be my advisors. i pardon them if anybody finds them to have behaved against the rules, period. and technically under the constitution, he has that level of authority. >> you we've come a long way from lock her up. the entire trump campaign was
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exercising projection. now it appears members was family established their own foundation as a slush fund to pedal influence. that's ahead.
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>> tom perez has been, i believe, one of the best secretaries of labor in our history. if you look at his body of work on behalf of working people, what he's pushed for in terms of making sure that workers get a fair deal, decent wages, better
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benefits that their safety is protected on the job, he has been extraordinary. >> when president barack obama was asked recently whether the future of the democratic party should in some ways be a continuation of how he approached things politically, he was quick to extol the accomplishments of tom perez, labor secretary. he is the latest candidate to throw his hat into the race to chair account democratic national committee, a decision largely seen as a way for democrats to continue with the obama approach in the post-obama era. is he only announced his decision to run for chair last week. the contest ahead of the dnc is now widely viewed as a proxy battle between democrats can loyal to obama and those aligned with bernie sanders wing of the party supporting elson. it could leave them with a bitter reminder of the primaries. joining me for his first television interview since
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announcing his candidacy is tom perez. mr. secretary, will he explain why you got in this race. >> >> i got in this race, chris, because this is one of those where were you moments? our children and grandchildren will ask us when our nation's heart and soul was at stake, where were you? and where i've always been my entire life is fighting for folks. fighting to make sure that everybody has that opportunititon punch their ticket to the middle class, fighting to make sure that everybody who is in need of education gets that education and i'm running for the dnc chair because this position is so important. we have to get back to basics. we've got to communicate our message of opportunity and inclusion that optimistic message. we've got to org flies, organize, organize and make sure we build those relationships with state parties because we have -- we've lost touch with our voters and we've lost touch
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with our state parties. >> i want to ask about that. under the eight years of president obama, the democrats have lost about 70 seats in the house. >> true. >> you 1 seats in the senate, ten governorships, about a thousand, about, a thousand state legislative seats. what is your explanation for why that has happened during this period of time? >> i think we've got to get back to basics. there's no substitute for organizing and persuasion. i worked in the grassroots in maryland where i live and we helped take an organization from the basement of a church to one of the largest non-profits in the mid-atlantic empowering people, fighting for people. i'm a big believer in data analytics. but at the same time is, data analytics cannot be a substitute for persuasion and organizing. i'm also a believer in what howard dean called the 50-state strategy. i would call it will 57 state strategy including the territories and district of
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columbia. we've got empower states and talk to people everywhere and build a bench of candidates. if we're going to take over the redistricting process, we've got to be running candidates for state legislature and the way you do that is to get out there in the communities, not just in urban areas but in suburban exurb and rural america and talk to people and listen. that's what i've been doing my entire career is being an active listener fighting for the values that people care about, whether it was taking on joe arpaio in arizona, taking on texas on the voter i.d. cases, whether it was fighting wall street because so many people got screwed by this foreclosure crisis and i helped negotiate the two the largest fair lending settlements in our department's history under the fair housing act. we need to a fighter and we need to a fighter who can win those fights. that's why i'm jumping in. >> what i'm hearing though and
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i've interviewed keith ellison on this program about this position, it's funny because in some ways i don't think there's for all of the acrimony within the democratic party, which is intense if you've ever stepped on twitter, there doesn't seem like a huge difference in the vision there in terms of what he's described and what you've described. i guess the question is, the perception is this was the white house and barack obama and the people around him saying we do not want this bernie sanders dude running the party. and therein taux perez is our guy. is that an accurate assessment? >> the this isn't about bernie sanders or barack obama. it's not about hillary clinton. it's about the future of our democratic party. it's about who can take the fight to the donald trump and win. it's about who can communicating that optimistic message of inclusion and opportunity. it's about who can run a complex organization. the democratic party, chris, is a complex organization.
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the department of labor is a complex organization. we have 16,000 employees, $45 billion budget when you take into account everything. we have a headquarters presence and presence in every state. and you know what i hear in my job? i hear sometimes from people in washington that people out in the field aren't listening to them. i hear from people out in the field that people in washington aren't listening to them. you know what? in my democratic party race, i hear that a lot. i think it's really important to have somebody who has a proven tack record in taking complex organizations and leading them and succeeding. that's what i've been able to do at the labor department and before that at the justice department. in which we inherit aid mess after the bush 2 debacle. the reason we've been able to make progress at the department of labor and doj before that, chris, is because i believe that good leaders are good listeners. and i'm not afraid to admit to you, chris, i've seldom had al
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original idea in my life but i pride myself on being a good listener. as a result of that, we at the department of labor, we did an overtime rule that's going to help people when we win that battle in court. we help protect people in the retirement space. we're helping people get access to apprenticeship. these are the things that our kitchen table issues. at the justice department, we fought those battles you know for to make sure that women can access reproductive health karat clinics. we fought the battles on behalf of those victims of lending discrimination and on behalf of people with disabilities. you need to make sure that the leader of the party can inspire people, can bring together the entire big tent and can lead this big ship and you know, i'm ready for that fight. i keep telling people you know, we've got to the stop fretting and start fighting because donald trump and his billionaire boys club, their vision of america is not our vision of america and i don't think it's
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the vision othe majority of americans but what we've got to do is get back to basics. and sit at those kitchen tables and organize not just every other year for two months, but a 12-month a year organizing strategy, getting into those communities, making sure our state parties are equal partners. i'm optimistic, chris. i think we can win these fights. i've been in fights like this before. i've had some success and that's why i'm moving forward. >> we'll have you back on a lot. we'll cover this race carefully. tom perez, appreciates it. >> thank you. still ahead, allegations of a nud pay forplay play plan. first, a seasonal thing one, thing two next. why i'm moving forward.
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thing one tonight, a tree went missing from a public park in mobile, alabama, friday. the beloved old growth cedar was
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reduced to a stump by it the afternoon, a hacked off piece lying next to it to indicate the site of the crime. local residents e-mailed the mayor about the missing tree. by friday afternoon, the tree repared to sit atop this football stadium. why was the 50-foot tree hacked down and moved to a huge football stadium? that's thing twoing in 60 seconds.
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a beloved 50-foot old growth tree in mobile, alabama, was hacked down and installed an stop a football stadium this past saturday. that the event a rally for president-elect donald trump serving as a christmas tree for the backdrop in that shot there. according to the mayor's office, the trump team asked for a tree for the rally because the war on christmas is now over. the mayor's chief of staff tweet aid oo-fut christmas tree for a visit of president-elect trump, how we flow mobile. then great day in mobile. well, not all of mobile's residents agree. >> mobile tree commission member
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cleveland says he understands the city wanting to put its best foot forward for president-elect trump's visit. but he said he didn't realize the city had cut the huge tree from a city park for decoration. >> i didn't know the city had trees they were cutting for christmas trees. >> reporter: another commission member was caught by surprise. >> i was not aware of it and i'm like you've got to be kidding me. >> the mobile tree commission. by sunday night is, the city began to understand the mayor's chief of staff issuing a statement saying in an effort to make sure every detail was covered in the expectation of the president-elect's team were exceeded i became overzealous. i accept full responsibility for having this done. yesterday the mayor addressed the issue saying at my direction, the tree will be repurposed and our staff has a plan in place to replant three cedar trees. we will ensure this mistake does not happen again.
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rest assured, residents, it appears this was the first alpine sacrifice in the name of our president-elect.
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today, we had a very, very big thing going on all over this country. and it's called pay for play. pay for play. called pay -- you're not allowed to do it. it's illegal. >> pay for play. candidate donald trump displayed a great deal of concern about unproven allegation dafz pay for play with regard to hillary clinton's tenure at the state department. yet, the president-elect's transition team has been forced to deny and apparently change the trump family's participation in an event that looks very much like selling influence otherwise known as pay for play. it's called opening day.
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according to these draft brochure obtained by tmz honoring trump, something special happens when you step into nature. it is a big fund-raiser thrown by a brand-new non-profit with a net proceeds going to unspecified conservation charities. as describedza, perspective million dollar donors receive a private reception and photo opportunity for 16 guests and also a multiday hunting and or fishing excursion for four guests. it's the names that landed at the end of those sentences that has caused the trump transition team to respond tonight. that after the break.
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>> it's a big fundraising day, contains some notable sweeteners. the honorary president-elect trump son, a million dollar donation will get you among other things, a private reception and photo opportunity on the day after the inauguration. also a multi-day hunting and/or fishingic kurgs for four guests with don donald trump and or team, net proceeds go to unspecified charities. this trump transition responded -- then just hours ago, trump transition team released this new brochure.
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it lists them as honorary co-chairs t. new omits trump donor prizes? consider this, on the timeing documents with the texas secretary of state, done, jr. and eric are listed as co-directors. trump transition says don and eric weren't aware they were being listed of this newly formed entity, their names will be removed. joining me is a professor of minnesota law school, republican strategy gist rick wilson, rick, i'll begin with you. what is notable about this to my is there are so many opportunities for sort of what you might call side hustles that are going to sprout up in the d.c. in the trump era.
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do you agree in. >> look, i this i the entire trump organization has become a side hustle now. i think you will see -- look this particular event, we don't know all the details yet. it certainly fits into this mosaic involvement with his brand, his companies, his business and his willingness to draw a bright ethical line how they will handle this, not only him as the president, the family as well. >> the family can eggs that people focus on, mr. painter, let me ask you this, i want to go back to the newt gingrich quote. the president is not -- the monuments clause presents problems, he's exempt from conflicts of interest. >> that said, the office of government ethics, a fairly little known body actually had to certify everyone working for him is conflict free. if they can't do that what happens? >> the people that work in the white house have to be conflict
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free. i don't think og certifys that, financial disclosure forms are filed with the government of ethics. it's the responsibility of each person to make sure they're conflict free or they commit a criminal offense? no, they can't be pardoned under the constitution, but if he were to think of start doing that in his own white house, i think they'd even have a response with the house of representatives, where they'd talk about impeachment. so newt gingrich is way off base suggesting that type of this ipg this early in the administration. on all this fund raising, i have to say the politicians have done it for years. it's mostly campaign fun raising, photo ops with the president. if you give min to the political party the president. it's a new level of tackiness the clintons were doing it. now the trumps are doing it t. pay-to-play game has been going on for years, that's been blessed be i the supreme court unfortunately.
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we have to shut down the cooperation in washington. i'm not encouraged with what i'm seeing so far. >> to the first point you made about ethics here, rick. one of the.that mr. painter points out, ultimate will i the check comes from congress. which is to say, when you do you el with the president of the occupation, it's not the u.s. attorney of the district of colombia who will go after white house staffers, right? ultimately it will be investigations, whatever it is, are you confident that that's going to be there? >> honestly at this point given the way the house has behaved towards donald trump so far, you know, they have been very willing to look away from some of the impending ethical questions that are obviously gentleman to be, you know, playing a role here, but, look i think the way they're treating him right now, if vladimir putin can sneak into the white house wearing a sand burglar mask and
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say, make america great again, we're not going to do anything yet. this will be a long way until the house get some sum u gum shun and does their constitutional due diligence about this. it is something that will be an interesting test about whether the house, you know, for years they wanted to take back some of the pow ter executive has taken, not just obama but bush 43 an everyone else, the house said they want that power back. we'll see if they take it back with very obvious ethical tests, i think fairly early on in this process. >> is that your sense? ultimately the sort of the white house counsel's office acts as one internal check. but if that legal advice is ignored or its poor or licensious, it is ultimately congress that will provide the check in. >> well, yes. i think they are eyeing a very good white house count sell.
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it's when you hear people like newt gipg rich talk about pardons before we started theed a min strachlgs i was on that show with speaker gingrich. that's an embarrassment. it's important that president trump listen to white house an hours and the ethics to the department of justice and do the right thing an stay out of trouble. he needs to be an effective president and not be mired in scandal, to be talking about par dons. it's early in the administration, that's pathetic. >> well, not exactly the route you go if you are an ethics lawyer. >> thank you both, appreciate it. >> thanks, chris. >> all right, that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show begins right now. >> i will stick a flag in that one for the next year. well done, thank you at home for joining us this hour. welcome to the longest night of the year. you're right. the nights have been getting longer and longer and longer recently.
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>> that is about to change. tomorrow the nights will finally stop getting longer and the days will finally start to catch up. things will literally get brighter. starting tomorrow. but in the meantime, there's tonight, i'm sorry. and in totally unrelated news, this is dyoisis the greek god of wine and wine making and some other things i don't feel like talking about on television because my mom's watching. in greek mythology, up with of the less lurid, less scandal is things that happened and d o'nisi, one day he came home after a trip abroughted with friendsch up with of his friend was a very good friend, sometimes described as his mentor, sometimes his father figure. sometime his right-hand guy or best friend. but his name was cylenus. and he was a sader.